From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6249ECB5 for ; Sun, 6 Oct 2019 16:06:31 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received: from mail-wm1-f54.google.com (mail-wm1-f54.google.com [209.85.128.54]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D541A5D3 for ; Sun, 6 Oct 2019 16:06:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wm1-f54.google.com with SMTP id v17so10024126wml.4 for ; Sun, 06 Oct 2019 09:06:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language; bh=dGi9CKctOSBIW42tXmBr7tu5xdjc/QD8qgnod01nu0E=; b=JsRKTAMQ43BQ45wOD27h1IOo9elDTwhquHvtJ57nfJctbf761OLLOZAba5PD17UTKR W0iPhaSJ9EwJgaUm+GWVmxTIKdRF6Oop+c7Gbsew+anilh6GLKDopyRFaoakiVxtg6Iw /gq2KfUNDEmODzFSNGcdYgnH2tYBcfQ7JGccZDUoQijkqN62K6y25KJYRUnELuk/bjMg 6Uez852u+TDvS62mD/5Mgb3X3VbDWHy78ZIPAp5qVXfKvzbFI+Dl4kZQeMRW1pGvFm/e uvVWvXDeJoAeaedAvkqpBDndgqzlPGhEyZl+qB2WL74UHozmgTGUtzIASyN0Xq9vfamX RFjg== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAXLdEALNk4JvL4fGwPsbCaQ2fU3a9E2BBi+xak/jNywcSJVbe8z 4GTYDnsbW8WsSPHNYYanEMdO2lZ3 X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqxPwYSEcZyeCTvHnhDSfb+qWL5hm9GAiROM9+TsZh7+FEq64UhPjTw4h5YMGiY3uvHIAkxuKA== X-Received: by 2002:a7b:c776:: with SMTP id x22mr16021414wmk.123.1570377989257; Sun, 06 Oct 2019 09:06:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?IPv6:2a02:8108:8200:1c80:205e:1240:8c6:a161? ([2a02:8108:8200:1c80:205e:1240:8c6:a161]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id o1sm17286203wrs.78.2019.10.06.09.06.28 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 06 Oct 2019 09:06:28 -0700 (PDT) To: Luke Dashjr , bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org References: <58e44347-6eee-a0c3-3b8a-965c7450780e@emilengler.com> <201910061132.39215.luke@dashjr.org> From: Emil Engler Message-ID: Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2019 18:06:27 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.9.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <201910061132.39215.luke@dashjr.org> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------7AA441BE23AC44E30D89B884" Content-Language: en-US X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on smtp1.linux-foundation.org X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 06 Oct 2019 16:46:34 +0000 Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] BIPable-idea: Consistent and better definition of the term 'address' X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2019 16:06:31 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------7AA441BE23AC44E30D89B884 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > But a pubkey is not a Base58 string, and fundamentally different from a= n=20 > address. An address identifies the recipient and the purpose of the pay= ment;=20 > a pubkey does not. The pubkey remains with the UTXO; an address does no= t. I don't know much about this topic in Bitcoin so far, but I meant the address :) > That problem would require using a different term than "address" to add= ress. I meant this the whole time, sorry for misunderstandings. > A BIP is unlikely to do the job (though it may help). Why? They are specifications and implementations need them (even if some do not implement everything). Also BIP 21 would need an alternative/separate parameter with the new ter= m. > Neither the address nor pubkey are a password... In Germany at least (where I live), you need to provide a 'Password' (the german translation of thin word of course) in the purpose of the transaction if you pay with a bank transfer. They are used as IDs but I agree, ID is definitely a better suffix. > Some possible alternative terms would be "invoice id", "payment token",= etc. ACK Greetings, Emil Engler --------------7AA441BE23AC44E30D89B884 Content-Type: application/pgp-keys; name="pEpkey.asc" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="pEpkey.asc" -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- mQINBFybu/QBEADwXuxSgFWERsEvMfFxPW7wWOpFUnzVbUTcuyadiL8Cdd+ht3zo cakr8R7F1HrE75HyyDK5bn/Hlm3uD9k4yNHJBSouCR8Ueiri8Vh3N/QzcmBfqZGf JGtD+SW+BVZxXBX32FBkPrLHNanNq2I/utawQXM90fLUzD62LYm8SgaGl3RAnSki MYKeCtuk2yrrua2EY9KDud/SJ1stHXECF6qCm2aoT4fhnn/3AGZqaBSwoU4MqBsI 496fFuYXBPZnKXgak47aIK5nmv4TAYLKadOxKePBpoJDjV7e8isDHSRlveh8tTsO QZ7rsWBJnT1pO1SwFyuLwreQtNlyzXx4YVlWHLNdIQiGjnUiJS08YkA702hPxOUT QMx2MosN4zRsD6C6QBZud68tRdI05bhsQ+7/s2E+kIyBYqi6fCJVz/WSQHLA6st4 o7L10dCYyLTZZh4+aNaWBHW5rE4gTIdKSnLzmPJJ/mPFLH2n4bEUQTaRi08ClNWI uVDls3xcQJ1HKWNDk6iTdDNlecbQ8sc31/pXRv9JS/Gsj8PmA/3plQSuSTGyxYGq Tt0zd+bYMFCI+Qm64Qv1DZaIE4I0cLAnB4yQVUVjgrdNbjnCivlfL9yc+p4AKQ7K 65UgV089R5mMUrZycVFlsKW4Nihuc81qZ1lSAWJvZloJflrfjgYu25b7UQARAQAB tB9FbWlsIEVuZ2xlciA8bWVAZW1pbGVuZ2xlci5jb20+iQJUBBMBCAA+FiEE82Xm VEpcmrEyk0LUL21BRcVfx8cFAlybu/QCGwMFCRLMAwAFCwkIBwIGFQoJCAsCBBYC AwECHgECF4AACgkQL21BRcVfx8fj/Q/9Hik5TAVznP0VXxEPY3QMVPJYuNBOtGAq LIZmpL1T27Ov4b3nksrUNEtVhf2UIhLCJ/bgO1dULSkPnedGbBhnF+WTgG5ekTnH rxdAali8QUBsuhpE3JFfNlJYHXa7aWuk3OCfdvEJAQ+MzjQXSyto70EeHfqaVYXC hw7DwSd0LtKLMAi5NQZw/P8luhA0K8qNJP5JLyB2HlySZMJHE11g/0m0kSl4pH5k qi0QUHNzdNgp7mieEFObKcLp/7SFnZ50k5Ts3ESvIgH04Scjr+Ww+sUfj0rgenJr GBefK0HIe3yWswLpENaZbep43wDMw+j68XGLXxEDlzCNXwRAXZp90u6kP2pHwg+Z RC52UzEDpPlhh5Y0t+kjZXyFhS0oj0YQpn5Kf8y5y1Qipw2fKyiEwoB54lVmefmQ XdV5pLpiafmw7boNXo176rBtWWiS+PmhSpxY/fOtU3Xq/RYw4DnsWdms2FGXEX3/ x4CWP3j9YIuClcJ8oiVFdLGnPbDw6jLP5lX/SEbAS4JBHo/gq0nr51JLa+NRtQOi fHMoIuUTwMcoohWejF1LL6shBP7k9fqu92i62d/wVIW8oMPL/rLbwtQBnKR9aWxS oEmEuDMVTYRzRNV9N5xSlbkgmmZi1Zp9edFdQvV4gSP3fvI6+NORPOc03nA84A2U lDi0gmetU565Ag0EXJu79AEQAMF2/v8dMV1dSOmQLMTCpePJuSa6aPWO+8x+tNsc sVvudzHTePVppNHs10+Vha6L9jirMhofFsBmH73TsgvTafHQRTMUAzHFXRqinZSB ClfwxbWMmXiXhcv3qqRy8Icfs2WhLOrC1TnFiEh77GeNHelO4HzEEe9HmRQ917Xd k+gIdf5RDkeoyYrSG4bMlG4CKAslNEAJeZuQnsoE1b4bt3LvDvQesXPhQMrG8LOa oHpelnkVRTZhmYlzWVhlbfNowyL33dojcPOetHN9LtMe8ynZIgKqKOhNcOuo8GeK B9tNRRsJTylDN/Lzd9H/LQKv3k/LQQhC1DNHtl/W3iA2yXmg6u7uOP6o2rJMhIfo w1uBW2z5YZM8Abd7GKNZqnbGYC2SMIO4Y73ECX9HKvkpal+Yd5dUy7KEd+8y1hMl +2tGi0DrYOkKk1pDQBR2CGe2g5++NWKw3lGCVcM9v7twV3VXOo5h7s0zDbiD3xnI 4REdXKBZgJE36g4YQ9ntUED9lE5B3JxvGcKqKpBxG8KvXzmPZYnrzaSSrcGHgQIc DlHMaOHwx0oJlLF/ZOp+fSFB17uHMacRjqtFqARk7wGXBR0YThepKFjZtpC/i7qR +TJa8ktUd5KHm3ON+NLt706AsSj/8dT4QbV4uTG8RJAkLN+d3JGaOFwSX7LZ+AeF slLfABEBAAGJAjwEGAEIACYWIQTzZeZUSlyasTKTQtQvbUFFxV/HxwUCXJu79AIb DAUJEswDAAAKCRAvbUFFxV/Hx3MnEADnQ9b82umZ48WjzMfLeq0lraswaU2rAKmR NhMgLoYqe7QLywvG/zHwiwr07RU1RdmQG9wQC+ldRBM7SqANyuqEvMptaWZ/t0zy 1OUTzb4PqsZbHRHjVpyE0Pdb5WsjTfE4bXBLUU6DPyCP58S7FW4Nsh++GH2bLote iHqI0+WWyZk0aYzbmF8/IQe++rfr65TEEY2qcUP2AWNLE8gXY65oV7qOjcJz/uke jJvQ3HsR5Di60+kvIABOjIc3/5DMjp9bmGkr27u6EVyrxoBcC1Q/om3ynWtsnOhL 4F4F2upTeeUdmonRsr8hUFPUp2vm+fsuusE4JpzpNK4DjzhniZy+21dYQbPhBVOn yi12D6ZOdtRjSBEzRe3KJ18kDwhZiIPoO3plhxu+V/07kevqMtdnrN4VW3rYoR27 /PVGGsKqJv3IIGxWrEZk5nl5x0mIMHB1bTM/2BkjApD/Rt+0OyHLRS1VeEYnep3W cZjuH9WaMzPVjbnecUirPrkYYFUIdDO1I6QuDgbWcwdZWG0HOrNE3v/g/0cCyweF aLMg+893egNBAi5058jT+1pmx0JQTUUvlYY1QJEkgG89fExBOQTH3drLgv5etq5H IXhXHr9sCwFDqctHnqvrUeyyzOwTARJNOpoh2Eou8cIdAdvfDkcOK9fbedcqwUgW j8/1W9r08g=3D=3D =3D2gmp -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- --------------7AA441BE23AC44E30D89B884--