From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5E3501508 for ; Sun, 20 Sep 2015 21:16:43 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received: from mail-pa0-f44.google.com (mail-pa0-f44.google.com [209.85.220.44]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EAFC7384 for ; Sun, 20 Sep 2015 21:16:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pacfv12 with SMTP id fv12so99468141pac.2 for ; Sun, 20 Sep 2015 14:16:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:subject:cc:date:message-id:in-reply-to:reply-to:user-agent :mime-version:content-type; bh=u4mbYkMF+OkkOv3deEoAPpnduCVjoXHgKZBvIRdI0Bg=; b=AvwbU10/eSmYygze5a5SPslLGTo0mxR1hRWj4VgjKg3L0QdjvlRborxGGfJvEuS0rk muHarYN6dzYpHSFGD57ZYNO0NkJNYbiaHropQDIN2xIwEbsJBdpm84ThHtVZ16q7NfJ9 27nrkFmEdUoYLlo8vIuUiCWaGxSZtRDQwNc4WSYTBzRunDNrs5uLx3SkWqrhIv8ZrsEl PuWOnVLReIWfXKf7y38n05hbzBiGHd2eBaKCD+b8fZcGKLxkviQRsnkWWs460b7JjnZn 7uMV4BngjEF6I/xb3m3ONJq5KqtjRaoDs5gFXqp3KZ9xyhuT8EbygwAHRxnhvnTklsBJ eIxA== X-Received: by 10.68.65.43 with SMTP id u11mr20441690pbs.167.1442783802690; Sun, 20 Sep 2015 14:16:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.108] (cpe-76-167-237-202.san.res.rr.com. [76.167.237.202]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id fm5sm20452389pbb.60.2015.09.20.14.16.41 (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 20 Sep 2015 14:16:42 -0700 (PDT) From: "Eric Lombrozo" To: "Steven Pine" , "Milly Bitcoin" Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2015 21:16:36 +0000 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Reply-To: "Eric Lombrozo" User-Agent: eM_Client/6.0.23181.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------=_MB93824F07-B751-4C93-8E13-85B7889F65B1" X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on smtp1.linux-foundation.org Cc: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Scaling Bitcoin conference micro-report X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Development Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2015 21:16:43 -0000 --------=_MB93824F07-B751-4C93-8E13-85B7889F65B1 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Steven, You make a decent point...but please try to keep the discourse civil.=20 It's already hard enough trying to figure this stuff out without fanning= =20 more flames. ------ Original Message ------ From: "Steven Pine via bitcoin-dev"=20 To: "Milly Bitcoin" Cc: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org Sent: 9/20/2015 1:23:28 PM Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Scaling Bitcoin conference micro-report >It's amazing how foolish some people are to continue trusting=20 >governments especially in light of recent history: a seemingly endless,= =20 >Orwellian 'war on terror', multiple regional conflicts often justified=20 >by fake evidence, wholesale disregard of law and basic human covenants=20 >such as do not torture, ubiquitous and secret global surveillance. > >Anyone who doesn't consider governments the proper threat model is=20 >either a shill or an idiot. > >On Sep 20, 2015 12:34 PM, "Milly Bitcoin via bitcoin-dev"=20 > wrote: >>>Until this is settled, Bitcoin has no clear direction and developers=20 >>>cannot make effective decisions: >> >>How exactly do things set "settled" in this environment? >> >>People looking at Bitcoin think a small group of developers and miners= =20 >>"control" these decisions. Not sure if "control" is the right word=20 >>but that is the perception. >> >>Russ >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>bitcoin-dev mailing list >>bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org >>https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev --------=_MB93824F07-B751-4C93-8E13-85B7889F65B1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Steven,
 
You make a decent point...but please try to keep the discourse civil.= It's already hard enough trying to figure this stuff out without fanning= more flames.
 
------ Original Message ------
From: "Steven Pine via bitcoin-dev" <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>
To: "Milly Bitcoin" <milly@b= itcoins.info>
Sent: 9/20/2015 1:23:28 PM
Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Scaling Bitcoin conference micro-report
 

It's amazing how foolish some people are to continue trusting= governments especially in light of recent history: a seemingly endless,= Orwellian 'war on terror', multiple regional conflicts often justified = by fake evidence, wholesale disregard of law and basic human covenants such= as do not torture, ubiquitous and secret global surveillance.

Anyone who doesn't consider governments the proper threat mode= l is either a shill or an idiot.

On Sep 20, 2015 12:34 PM, "Milly Bitcoin via bitco= in-dev" <bitcoi= n-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
Until this is settled, Bitcoin= has no clear direction and developers cannot make effective decisions:
=

How exactly do things set "settled" in this environment?
People looking at Bitcoin think a small group of developers and miner= s "control" these decisions.  Not sure if "control" is the right word= but that is the perception.

Russ


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