From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A0B2E1660 for ; Sun, 20 Sep 2015 21:45:11 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received: from mail-pa0-f44.google.com (mail-pa0-f44.google.com [209.85.220.44]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4B0DA178 for ; Sun, 20 Sep 2015 21:45:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: by padhk3 with SMTP id hk3so97657983pad.3 for ; Sun, 20 Sep 2015 14:45:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:in-reply-to:reply-to:user-agent :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=kraR+pOO7buJsd6wNoCRbppvLgJzoamgVwxeMrc9C1Q=; b=gzqBcvWIKo3x2Z9cJK1h0/zS1Vt4o85Ko0yr5iqXiFMQeoAOz1kYiwlF6625riTu3o 3hhBV3LzA8AzSc7eakIpj9QCTdWv6akxKehxG7oiNjRo4XujrQL2yn87PShU2Xce9ZG1 24bNiaHZjtGHqhG7OZGBSpYJCNahwaZxwfYf1/zAd3/3qmTcP8uCGiaQncfO119lLq6w v06UI/UEkyx6T/6+7zFXnsp+ogZLGpZfLgiwtONDybnMv38Vbzke0Tjh21yv41yPIUmI P8Y6rSvV9Q4+HaquXWYQynk/K4pV4V5NTrSYfMACIcDST6dsLjyBNkl4PuTpuzjRZGog eQ/A== X-Received: by 10.68.192.9 with SMTP id hc9mr20645334pbc.57.1442785511094; Sun, 20 Sep 2015 14:45:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.108] (cpe-76-167-237-202.san.res.rr.com. [76.167.237.202]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id tb9sm20629515pab.13.2015.09.20.14.45.09 (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 20 Sep 2015 14:45:10 -0700 (PDT) From: "Eric Lombrozo" To: s7r@sky-ip.org, bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2015 21:45:04 +0000 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <55FF2632.2010804@sky-ip.org> Reply-To: "Eric Lombrozo" User-Agent: eM_Client/6.0.23181.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU, FREEMAIL_FROM, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on smtp1.linux-foundation.org Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Scaling Bitcoin conference micro-report X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Development Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2015 21:45:11 -0000 ------ Original Message ------ From: "s7r via bitcoin-dev" To: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org Sent: 9/20/2015 2:33:38 PM Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Scaling Bitcoin conference micro-report >The general threat model for which we want to scale is: larger user=20 >base >(not necessarily by increasing the blocksize - just increase the >transactions per second using the best way from all points of view), >more use cases for simple people who only do basic stuff, more >popularity but all these without the possibility for some actor to >control more than he should (like a government agency). Larger user base won't necessarily protect against governments if we=20 still have chokepoints they can go after. Given that as a currency=20 Bitcoin currently represents a negligible portion of the world's=20 economy, even growing the user base by some small factor is at best a=20 token gesture in our fight against governmental threats. If governments=20 successfully take down critical pieces of our network infrastructure,=20 Bitcoin will fail and most people will continue doing business as usual=20 (using fiat currency), most of them never even noticing anything=20 noteworthy happened at all. What we really need to grow is the number of nodes on the network that=20 participate in its basic infrastructure - namely: miners, validators,=20 etc...and the more centralized these activities become, the easier it=20 will be for governments to clamp down. >