From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.osuosl.org (smtp1.osuosl.org [140.211.166.138]) by lists.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD512C002A for ; Sun, 7 May 2023 17:35:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp1.osuosl.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 917E88204E for ; Sun, 7 May 2023 17:35:57 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 smtp1.osuosl.org 917E88204E X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at osuosl.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.902 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.902 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from smtp1.osuosl.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp1.osuosl.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id i0krx0wEQ9e1 for ; Sun, 7 May 2023 17:35:56 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: from auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.8.0 DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 smtp1.osuosl.org 814F081F51 Received: from smtpauth.rollernet.us (smtpauth.rollernet.us [IPv6:2607:fe70:0:3::d]) by smtp1.osuosl.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 814F081F51 for ; Sun, 7 May 2023 17:35:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtpauth.rollernet.us (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtpauth.rollernet.us (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFE9D2800840; Sun, 7 May 2023 10:35:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from webmail.rollernet.us (webmail.rollernet.us [IPv6:2607:fe70:0:14::a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by smtpauth.rollernet.us (Postfix) with ESMTPSA; Sun, 7 May 2023 10:35:52 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 07 May 2023 07:35:52 -1000 From: "David A. Harding" To: Michael Folkson , Bitcoin Protocol Discussion In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/1.4.10 Message-ID: X-Sender: dave@dtrt.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rollernet-Abuse: Contact abuse@rollernet.us to report. Abuse policy: http://www.rollernet.us/policy X-Rollernet-Submit: Submit ID 2459.6457e178.b87e0.0 Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin Core maintainers and communication on merge decisions X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 May 2023 17:35:57 -0000 On 2023-05-06 21:03, Michael Folkson via bitcoin-dev wrote: > Essentially my concern is going forward current maintainers will > decide which proposed new maintainers to add and which to block. This is how a large percentage of organizations are run. The current members of a board or other governance group choose who will become a new board member. One alternative to self-perpetuating governance is membership voting, but building and maintaining democratic institutions is hard and not a good fit for many types of endeavors---the building of highly technical software being one of those cases IMO. I think the questions we want to ask is whether the current set of maintainers is capable of moving Bitcoin Core in the direction we want and what we can do about it if we conclude that they are ill-suited (or malicious). For the first question, I think that's something everyone needs to answer for themselves, as we may each have different visions for the future of the project. That said, I note that several initiatives championed by the current maintainers in the IRC meeting you mention received overwhelmingly positive support from a significant number of current contributors, which seems like a healthy sign to me. For the second question, I think AJ Towns already answered that quite well (though he was talking about a different project): https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2023-April/021578.html Finally, I don't think this matter warranted a post to this mailing list. Discussion about internal project decisions, such as who should have merge access and what maintainers should communicate in PRs, belong in communication channels dedicated to that project. -Dave