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[185.70.43.17]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id br28-20020a056512401c00b00516cdcb2bcbsi294656lfb.13.2024.04.16.10.09.11 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Tue, 16 Apr 2024 10:09:11 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lists@achow101.com designates 185.70.43.17 as permitted sender) client-ip=185.70.43.17; Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2024 17:08:56 +0000 To: bitcoindev@googlegroups.com From: "'Ava Chow' via Bitcoin Development Mailing List" Subject: Re: [bitcoindev] Re: Adding New BIP Editors Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <2092f7ff-4860-47f8-ba1a-c9d97927551e@achow101.com> <52a0d792-d99f-4360-ba34-0b12de183fef@murch.one> <84309c3f-e848-d333-fd28-bdd55899b713@netpurgatory.com> <9baa15e4-062d-478f-8c87-8ff19ab79989@murch.one> <4c1462b7-ea1c-4a36-be81-7c3719157fabn@googlegroups.com> <6806b22d-043d-4201-841a-95e17cd8d542@mattcorallo.com> <77554baa9330c57361c65c1fc85557f1@dtrt.org> <7b4e2223-0b96-4ca0-a441-aebcfc7b0bben@googlegroups.com> Feedback-ID: 53660394:user:proton MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Original-Sender: lists@achow101.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; dkim=pass header.i=@achow101.com header.s=protonmail3 header.b=sht+2wW4; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lists@achow101.com designates 185.70.43.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=lists@achow101.com; dmarc=pass (p=REJECT sp=REJECT dis=NONE) header.from=achow101.com X-Original-From: Ava Chow Reply-To: Ava Chow Precedence: list Mailing-list: list bitcoindev@googlegroups.com; contact bitcoindev+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 786775582512 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) While I don't disagree that 5 or 6 people seems like a lot to add at=20 once, it's not clear to me how we should decide which subset of the=20 nominees should be added. As it is now, I have only seen an actual=20 objection to Kanzure and Ruben from /dev/fd0, and no explicit objections=20 to anyone else. It seems like the vast majority of people don't share=20 their concerns either as both Kanzure and Ruben continue to be endorsed=20 by many others. Looking at the endorsements each candidate has received, the current=20 counts are: * Kanzure - 17 for, 1 against * Murch - 13 for * Jonatack - 13 for * Ruben - 12 for, 1 against * Roasbeef - 9 for * Michael Folkson - none However, I don't want this process to become a popularity contest and=20 require some kind of formal voting. Rather I'd prefer that this process=20 be something more like how Bitcoin Core maintainers are added - by=20 achieving rough consensus. Without any explicit objections to any of=20 these candidates, I'm inclined to move forward with adding the 5 who=20 have received endorsements. Having to pick "winners" from this list=20 seems like a quick way to stir up drama that I don't think anyone really=20 wants to deal with. I do want to note that neither Kanzure, Ruben, nor Roasbeef have posted=20 on this list that they are willing to be BIP editors. I have reached out=20 to all 3 of them privately, and received responses from Kanzure and=20 Ruben that indicate that they probably are willing, but public=20 confirmation from them on this list would also be nice. I have not=20 received a response from Roasbeef. Ava On 04/11/2024 10:22 AM, Sergi Delgado Segura wrote: > > I would prefer having more (9+?) than less folks on this task, so=20 > personal preferences are easily ignored and overwritten by the group=20 > majority. >=20 > I disagree with that, the more doesn't really the better here. Having=20 > too many editors may result in a tragedy of the commons, in which people= =20 > just commit to the job because many others do, and they do not end up=20 > doing as much because they expect others to do the it. This does not=20 > only make the process look bad but may burnout the ones that end up=20 > doing the job, given their time commitment ends up being too far from=20 > their expectations. >=20 > I think being more moderate with the amount of people is better, and=20 > gives us leeway in case the workload ends up being excessive and we need= =20 > to add more people (plus discourage people from joining and slacking off)= . >=20 > I think 3 more people should be a good number to start from.=20 > I'd personally vouch for Murch, Kanzure, and Ruben based on their track= =20 > record in the space >=20 > On Tue, Apr 2, 2024 at 4:30=E2=80=AFPM nvk > wrote: >=20 > +1 for > Kanzure > RubenSomsen > Seccour > Jon Atack > Roasbeef >=20 > I would prefer having more (9+?) than less folks on this task, so > personal preferences are easily ignored and overwritten by the group > majority. >=20 > BIPs were intended as a means to collect ideas, not enforce ideas. >=20 > I'd like to return to that. >=20 > - NVK (temp gmail account) >=20 > On Monday, April 1, 2024 at 5:16:54=E2=80=AFPM UTC-4 David A. Harding= wrote: >=20 > On 2024-03-28 10:04, Matt Corallo wrote: > > Please provide justification rather than simply saying "I > like Bob!". >=20 > Using only comments from the mailing list, the following appears > to be > the candidate list along with the current support. Asterisks deno= te > candidates who indicated their willingness to accept the role. >=20 > - Bryan "Kanzure" Bishop, recommended by Ava Chow[1], Chris > Stewart[3], > Michael Folkson[6], Peter Todd[9], Matt Corallo[10], Brandon > Black[11], > Antoine Riard[12], Murch[13], Antoine Poinsot[15], John > Carvalho[16] >=20 > - Ruben Somsen, recommended by Ava Chow[1], Chris Stewart[3], > Michael > Folkson[6], Antoine Riard[12], Murch[13], Antoine Poinsot[15], Jo= hn > Carvalho[16] >=20 > - Jon Atack*, recommended by Luke Dashjr[2], Chris Stewart[3], > /dev/fd0[5][7], > Brandon Black[11], Antoine Riard[12], Ava Chow[14], John > Carvalho[16] >=20 > - Olaoluwa "Roasbeef" Osuntokun, recommended by Chris > Stewart[3], John > C. Vernaleo[4], /dev/fd0[5][7], Keagan McClelland[8], Antoine > Riard[12], Ava Chow[14] >=20 > - Mark "Murch" Erhardt*, recommended by Michael Folkson[6], Keaga= n > McClelland[8], Matt Corallo[10], Brandon Black[11], Antoine > Riard[12], > Ava Chow[14] >=20 > - Michael Folkson* >=20 > Note: Luke Dashjr proposed[17] Seccour and Greg Tonoski for > "non-dev > triaging", Tonoski proposed himself[18] for "BIP editor", and > Antoine > Riard[12] proposed Seccour for "decentralized PM". >=20 > I searched the BIPs repo by commenter to see if any of the above > candidates had been especially active there, which is listed > below as: > total PRs they commented on (number still open/number closed). >=20 > - 21 (1/20) commenter:kanzure > - 3 (2/1) commenter:rubensomsen > - 15 (0/15) commenter:jonatack > - 18 (2/16) commenter:roasbeef > - 10 (6/4) commenter:Murchandamus > - 57 (6/51) commenter:michaelfolkson >=20 > I'll also note that Osuntokun is the only member of the set to > have a > merged BIP that they co-authored, although I believe there are > far-along > draft BIPs for both Murch (terminology) and Somsen (Silent > Payments). I > don't think this should be a requirement, but I do think it > demonstrates > familiarity with the process. >=20 > Speaking only for myself, I think all of the candidates above wit= h > multiple recommendations from other community participants are > fully > qualified for the role, so I'll only provide a detailed > justification > for the person who would be my first pick: Murch is not only a > longstanding and broadly liked Bitcoin contributor, but (as Coral= lo > mentioned) he has worked on standardizing terminology through a > draft > BIP. In addition, he provided an extremely detailed review of > all 300 > pages of a draft of Mastering Bitcoin (3rd edition) and has > reviewed > drafts of over 200 weekly Optech newsletters, in both cases > significantly improving the accuracy and comprehensibility of the > documentation. To me, that seems very similar to the work we'd > ask him > to perform as a BIPs editor and it's something that he's already > doing, > so I think there's an excellent fit of person to role. >=20 > -Dave >=20 > [1] > https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/2092f7ff-4860-47f8...@achow101.c= om/ > [2] > https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/9288df7b-f2e9-4106...@dashjr.org= / > [3] > https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/d1e7183c-30e6-4f1a...@googlegrou= ps.com/ > [4] > https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/84309c3f-e848-d333...@netpurgato= ry.com/ > [5] > https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/4c1462b7-ea1c-4a36...@googlegrou= ps.com/ > [6] > https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/a116fba3-5948-48d2...@googlegrou= ps.com/ > [7] > https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/846b668f-8386-4869...@googlegrou= ps.com/ > [8] > https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/CALeFGL1-LKPWd7YRS110ut8tX=3Dwru= qgLEazRA5...@mail.gmail.com/ > [9] https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/ZgePPvbf...@petertodd.org/ > > [10] > https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/f9435999-42df-46b5...@mattcorall= o.com/ > [11] https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/ZgWRu32FXzqqg69V@console/ > > [12] > https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/CALZpt+E8DohYEJ9aO+FiF6+E...@mai= l.gmail.com/ > [13] > https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/53a0015c-b76a-441a...@murch.one/= > [14] > https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/ae482890-bce3-468f...@achow101.c= om/ > [15] > https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/ppBS1tfMU3SFX85kmIBVBd0WpT5Wof_o= SBXsuizh7692AUDw2TojfvCqvcvlmsy9E69qfWMxK-UZWawf8IDApPqF7bXOH4gwU1c2jS4xojo= =3D@protonmail.com/ > [16] > https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/ad284018-e99c-4552...@googlegrou= ps.com/ > [17] > https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/CAMHHROw9mZJRnTbUo76PdqwJU=3D=3D= YJMvd9Qrst+...@mail.gmail.com/ >=20 > --=20 > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Bitcoin Development Mailing List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, > send an email to bitcoindev+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/bitcoindev/7b4e2223-0b96-4ca0-a441-= aebcfc7b0bben%40googlegroups.com . >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Sergi. >=20 > --=20 > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google=20 > Groups "Bitcoin Development Mailing List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send=20 > an email to bitcoindev+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com=20 > . > To view this discussion on the web visit=20 > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/bitcoindev/CAEYHFxV_8_Jw61tysL_cV_xiXBc= RyA3e%3DCGHGuSCgm%2B-4WxT9w%40mail.gmail.com . --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Bitcoin Development Mailing List" group. 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