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From: bfd@cock.lu
To: Chris Belcher <belcher@riseup.net>,
	Bitcoin Protocol Discussion
	<bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>
Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Committed bloom filters for improved wallet performance and SPV security
Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2017 09:49:03 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <fd0fe6db5af3e7407744ebbe521797bf@cock.lu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <f8511114-4bcd-32a0-f654-414a723781fa@riseup.net>

On 2017-02-17 11:28, Chris Belcher via bitcoin-dev wrote:
> I think this committed bloom filter idea is very good and much better
> than bip37, but for good privacy for when bitcoin is used often still
> requires certain behavior namely downloading blocks
> from many different peers with new tor circuits.
> 
> Note that I've been dealing with counting transaction subgraphs but
> actually finding them from blocks might also be computationally
> infeasible. Although a Bayesian approach worked very
> well for similar transaction subgraph linking
> [https://arxiv.org/pdf/1612.06747v3.pdf]
> 
> It would also be interesting to analyze what information a spy can get
> if they are missing some blocks that the wallet downloaded.
> 
> For the long term, private and high-volume bitcoin use will be best
> served by off-chain transactions. They will probably be a huge win just
> because the large and public blockchain is such a non-private
> way of doing things.
> 

Thank you for the analysis, this generally matches my views about the
properties offered by the system.

I've generally developed the opinion that BIP37 is effectively unused
by all but a very small number of wallets and services now, setting up
sinkhole nodes in the network to monitor `filterload` commands seems
to back that up.


      reply	other threads:[~2017-04-01 23:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-05-09  8:26 [bitcoin-dev] Committed bloom filters for improved wallet performance and SPV security bfd
2016-05-09  8:57 ` Gregory Maxwell
2016-05-11 20:06 ` Bob McElrath
2016-05-11 20:29   ` Bob McElrath
2016-07-28 21:07     ` Leo Wandersleb
2017-01-06 22:07       ` Erik Aronesty
2017-01-03 20:24     ` bfd
     [not found] ` <77b6dd25-0603-a0bd-6a9e-38098e5cb19d@jonasschnelli.ch>
2017-01-03 20:18   ` bfd
2017-01-03 22:18     ` Aaron Voisine
2017-01-03 22:28       ` bfd
2017-01-03 23:06       ` adiabat
2017-01-03 23:46         ` Aaron Voisine
2017-01-04  0:10           ` bfd
2017-01-04  0:36             ` Aaron Voisine
2017-01-04  6:06               ` Eric Voskuil
2017-01-04 16:13         ` Leo Wandersleb
2017-01-04  7:47       ` Jonas Schnelli
2017-01-04  8:56         ` Aaron Voisine
2017-01-04 10:13           ` Jorge Timón
2017-01-04 11:00             ` Adam Back
2017-01-06  2:15           ` bfd
2017-01-06  7:07             ` Aaron Voisine
2017-01-05  7:06         ` Chris Priest
2017-01-05  7:45           ` Eric Voskuil
2017-01-05 14:48             ` Christian Decker
2017-01-06 20:15             ` Chris Priest
2017-01-06 21:35               ` James MacWhyte
2017-01-06 21:50                 ` Eric Voskuil
2017-01-06  2:04           ` bfd
2017-03-15 22:36             ` Tom Harding
2017-03-16  0:25               ` bfd
2017-03-16 15:05                 ` Tom Harding
2017-02-17  0:28 ` Chris Belcher
2017-04-01 23:49   ` bfd [this message]

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