From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from sog-mx-4.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com ([172.29.43.194] helo=mx.sourceforge.net) by sfs-ml-4.v29.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1WK8CE-0002R6-UC for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Sun, 02 Mar 2014 15:20:54 +0000 Received-SPF: pass (sog-mx-4.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com: domain of m.gmane.org designates 80.91.229.3 as permitted sender) client-ip=80.91.229.3; envelope-from=gcbd-bitcoin-development@m.gmane.org; helo=plane.gmane.org; Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]) by sog-mx-4.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.76) id 1WK8CD-0005EC-0q for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Sun, 02 Mar 2014 15:20:54 +0000 Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1WK8C5-0004ig-ND for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Sun, 02 Mar 2014 16:20:45 +0100 Received: from f053042016.adsl.alicedsl.de ([78.53.42.16]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 02 Mar 2014 16:20:45 +0100 Received: from andreas by f053042016.adsl.alicedsl.de with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 02 Mar 2014 16:20:45 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net From: Andreas Schildbach Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2014 16:20:34 +0100 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: f053042016.adsl.alicedsl.de User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.3.0 In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Score: -0.4 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam Filtering performed by mx.sourceforge.net. See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. -1.5 SPF_CHECK_PASS SPF reports sender host as permitted sender for sender-domain -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.91.229.3 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_HELO_PASS SPF: HELO matches SPF record 1.1 DKIM_ADSP_ALL No valid author signature, domain signs all mail -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record -0.0 RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Headers-End: 1WK8CD-0005EC-0q Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] BIP70 extension to allow for identity delegation X-BeenThere: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2014 15:20:55 -0000 I somehow think that it is too early for this heavy kind of extension, given that the first version of BIP70 isn't even deployed widely let alone *used*. By reading your proposal I get the idea that the current spec doesn't allow two (or three) different PKIs at once -- we would want this for migration purposes as you wrote and also because different people prefer different kinds of PKIs. And that's perhaps something we want to fix in the current (version 1) spec to prevent us running into a wall and be doomed to patch around the spec. Note I assume a potential PGP or Bitcoin-based infrastructure would also be called 'PKI'. I would prefer if your fix would stay local to X.509 (and thus only change X.509 specific structs rather than the top-level PaymentRequest). And for a future PKI we would implement identity delegation in a straight forward, non-kludgy way. On 02/28/2014 12:46 PM, Mike Hearn wrote: > Now we're starting to see the first companies deploy BIP70, we're > encountering a need for identity delegation. This need was long foreseen > by the way: it's not in BIP70 because, well, we had to draw the line for > v1 somewhere, and this is an issue that mostly affects payment > processors. But I figured I'd start a thread anyway because people keep > asking me about it :) > > *_Objective_* > > Identity delegation means that a payment request can be signed by > someone who is not holding the certified private key. The most obvious > use case for this is payment processors like BitPay and Coinbase who > currently have to sign payment requests as themselves. Other use cases > might involve untrusted sales agents who want to be able to accept > payment as their employer, but cannot be trusted with a long-term > valuable secret, e.g. because they take their phone into areas with high > crime rates. > > The lack of this is ok for v1 but not great, because: > > 1) It requires the name of the *actual* recipient to be put in the memo > field, otherwise you don't have the nice receipt-like properties. The > memo field is just plain text though, it doesn't have any exploitable > structure. > > 2) It gives a confusing UI, the user thinks they're paying e.g. > Overstock but their wallet UI tells them they're paying Coinbase > > 3) Whilst these payment processors currently verify merchants so the > security risk is low, in future a lighter-weight model or competing > sites that allow open signups would give a weak security situation: a > hacker who compromised your computer could sign up for some popular > payment processor under a false identity (or no identity), and wait > until you use your hacked computer to make a payment to someone else > using the same payment processor. They could then do an identity swap of > the real payment request for one of their own, and your Trezor would > still look the same. Avoiding this is a major motivation for the entire > system! > > Also it just looks more professional if the name you see in the wallet > UI is correct. > > *_Proposed implementation_* > > We can fix this with a simple extension: > > enum KeyType { > SECP256K1 = 1 > } > > message ExtensionCert { > required bytes signature = 1; > required bytes public_key = 2; > required KeyType key_type = 3; > required uint32 expiry_time = 4; > optional string memo = 5; > } > > // modification > message X509Certificates { > repeated bytes certificate = 1; > repeated ExtensionCert extended_certs = 2; > } > > message PaymentRequest { > // new field > optional bytes extended_signature = 6; > } > > This allow us to define a so-called /extended certificate/, which is > conceptually the same as an X.509 certificate except simpler and Bitcoin > specific. To create one, you just format a ExtensionCert message with an > ECDSA public key from the payment processor (PP), set signature to an > empty array and then sign it using your SSL private key. Obviously the > resulting (most likely RSA) signature then goes into the signature field > of the ExtensionCert. The memo field could optionally indicate the > purpose of this cert, like "Delegation to BitPay" but I don't think it'd > ever appear in the UI, rather, it should be there for debugging purposes. > > The new ExtensionCert can then be provided back to the PP who adds it to > the X509Certificates message. In the PaymentRequest, there are now > /two/ signature fields (this is for backwards compatibility). Because of > how the mechanism is designed they should not interfere with each other > - old implementations that don't understand the new extended_signature > field will drop it during reserialization to set signature to the empty > array, and thus signature should not cover that field. On the other > hand, extended_signature would cover signature. Thus, for full backwards > compatibility, you would: > > 1) Sign the payment request using the PP's SSL cert, i.e. sign as > coinbase.com > > 2) Then sign again using the PP's delegated ECDSA key, i.e. sign as the > merchant > > The finished protobuf would show up in old clients as signed by > coinbase.com and by new clients as signed by > overstock.com even though Overstock did not > provide their SSL key to coinbase. > > If you have /only/ an ExtensionCert and not any X.509 cert of your own, > then you cannot of course make backwards compatible signatures in this > way, and in that case you would miss out the signature field and set the > pki_type to a new value: "x509+sha256+excert". Old wallets would see > that they don't understand this pki_type and treat the request as > unverified. > > For maximum security the merchant may choose to set very short expiry > times (like, a day) and then have a cron job that uploads a new > ExtensionCert at the end of each expiry period. This means in the case > of PP compromise, the system reseals very fast. > > *_Alternatives considered_* > *_ > _* > We could always use a new pki_type and not bother with the two signature > fields. However, this means old wallets will show payment requests as > untrusted during the transition period. Some signing is still better > than none, security-wise. > > We could attempt to fix the above by introducing a use of User-Agent > field to the case where a payment request is fetched via HTTP, so the > server can customise the PaymentRequest according to the capabilities of > the client. However, sometimes payment requests are not fetched via > HTTP, for example, they may be attached to an email, sent via an IM > network or sent over a Bluetooth socket. Nonetheless this may be a > useful thing to consider for future cases where the protocol may not be > extended in a backwards compatible manner. > > We could create the extension cert as an X.509 cert, rather than a > custom type. However most CA's set path length constraints on their > intermediate certs that forbid this kind of extension (I forgot why, > possibly some kind of anti-DoS mitigation). Also re-using X.509 for the > extension cert would open up the risk of it being accepted by a bogus > SSL stack that didn't check the key usage constraints extension, and > that would allow for SSL delegation as well. It seems safer to just use > a different format that definitely won't be accepted. > > > > Feedback welcome. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Flow-based real-time traffic analytics software. Cisco certified tool. > Monitor traffic, SLAs, QoS, Medianet, WAAS etc. with NetFlow Analyzer > Customize your own dashboards, set traffic alerts and generate reports. > Network behavioral analysis & security monitoring. 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