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Btw, 99.9% of transactions rn are= standard, nothing has changed. People are pre-emptively making accomodatio= n for a startup with a whitepaper. No one is making relay policy more restr= ictive, they're talking about making it more flexible "pre-emptively". On Friday, May 2nd, 2025 at 7:18 AM, Sjors Provoost wr= ote: >=20 >=20 > Op 2 mei 2025, om 02:14 heeft PandaCute pandacute12345678@gmail.com het v= olgende geschreven: >=20 > > It feels weird=E2=80=94like some sort of attack or a bribe. One protoco= l is mentioned that would benefit from this change, and then an investor AC= Ks the PR. >=20 >=20 > This is a misunderstanding. One that probably should have been better com= municated, because I can see why it creates a bad impression. >=20 > The Citrea protocol does not benefit from this change at all! We're just = asking them nicely to please use OP_RETURN and not bloat the UTXO set. >=20 > The cost difference between OP_RETURN and fake public keys is negligible = for them. I try to explain this in more detail here: >=20 > https://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/126208/why-would-anyone-use-o= p-return-over-inscriptions-aside-from-fees >=20 > We can only hope they do so, but why would they? They already wrote the c= ode, and now they have to spend engineering hours to deviate from their whi= tepaper design. For what, just to be a good citizen? Their developers are g= etting attacked for agreeing with this change. And since the proposal is co= ntroversial, they can't even count on this actually going through in time f= or whenever they want to launch. >=20 > As someone once said: we don't have the cards here. >=20 > - Sjors >=20 >=20 > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups= "Bitcoin Development Mailing List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an= email to bitcoindev+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/bitcoinde= v/1B78AC90-E698-421F-AECD-32DBCDD8669A%40sprovoost.nl. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Bitcoin Development Mailing List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to bitcoindev+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. 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