From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 35F65279 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2015 21:12:44 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: from auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.15.19]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 16880191 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2015 21:12:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [128.199.188.48] by 3capp-mailcom-bs07.server.lan (via HTTP); Fri, 24 Jul 2015 23:12:38 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: From: "Slurms MacKenzie" To: pete@petertodd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2015 23:12:38 +0200 Importance: normal Sensitivity: Normal In-Reply-To: <20150724174320.GB25947@savin.petertodd.org> References: <2275059.uyAkQvreAU@coldstorage>, <20150724174320.GB25947@savin.petertodd.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-UI-Message-Type: mail X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:CkOzhn+FWRPx3bZ5iKhMzWcmSZiR2rzlwtLttHzO6zg ppLWdvC7PUiUUxFl0IN4xCyMXh5RRYfGjDcgcNqUA2XZy0DvEj 7bJqX1AM9GDWNAKCsIwPNqVo77vM5oxLK5unuXkF+ILdusfS18 ExhG1yKqJ5kDP/hC7y8G1/vgql5SreJR9BoMSInXkAbYGfRS+H amVxb9PAXNdQW8n5y73OJPoqQWvvoVvzU+jTjynDiy2oJjzrqa sD8T7kaTcdpfZ9hFfe9N64uwzNAAc/eixD1PP0y6eOPDvGfUHq bYj9VNgoICl/KUD4FxWW+LYWNnE X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:xD5xZC+y0jc=:n4zJLc0yoS7Ew6sPOyhuKg b+AAfA4vAVCeSU4/rTCkjX/ghAMxaTUid4XKiSGYPIj7UMSnHXSEJisYrL8WcVxzTPfsgmG74 CVVS/WYAaQs82V7m5/BGqF3g79u4rYFbj9JvSO4ToLOHTYgnr0P/wBZzkuEUStO4Zvg5wz1Fw nXtFJUV8WKq3Cf4wQ06UEYNKTIEdLMZ4lNtsShUFV9YJ+vED61mofdseDA7+UMCfIn+aDPDaH W5PM9+s0MF1LLj8CnPC5oo7zr7Yzg0CIR3CobEhvG3z4jMueFpxCEHMkt53eMnSFWRi12GLp8 srhcocGGKJgDTG3hkSRcUjyL1Awo6J9JF2RcMV3pZlObPD7mdkbNplWNLhf4IDUGVk3lZaxhu lrEWDO4WmQ4nZlLaon5sS2SAI0wkDudSzSbyWLZGOGqXpBRp7qgcMbqq84YncQ4jHJs4bT4x0 L6Sk/ZlLPA== X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on smtp1.linux-foundation.org Cc: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin Roadmap 2015, or "If We Do Nothing" Analysis X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Development Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2015 21:12:44 -0000 They do not run anything but BitcoinJ (evidenced by them blindly following = invalid chains), so no proper consensus checking going on here at all=2E Co= nnected to my nodes is a bad peer (doesn=E2=80=99t relay inventory but down= loads everything) from 37=2E187=2E136=2E15, with the user agent /BitcoinJ:0= =2E12SNAPHOT/Satoshi:0=2E2=2E0/ which is owned by blockchain=2Einfo=2E You = can also submit an invalid transaction through their /pushtx interface and = get a mixture of noise and BitcoinJ error messages out of it as well=2E=20 If even the people who have to their claim hundreds of thousands of wallet= s are relying on their security don=E2=80=99t bother running even a single = node to sanity check against, who are we really going to expect people to i= n the future if the load goes 8x, 16x, 32x higher? Like CoinBase and others= , these are the companies which are claimed will be the ones supporting the= network with ludicrous sized blocks because they have a financial incentiv= e to=2E=20 Well, they don't even do it now when it could be achieved with a $5 VPS=2E= =20 > Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 at 8:43 PM > From: "Peter Todd via bitcoin-dev" > To: "Thomas Zander" > Cc: bitcoin-dev@lists=2Elinuxfoundation=2Eorg > Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin Roadmap 2015, or "If We Do Nothing" A= nalysis > We can test the fact that blockchain=2Einfo's wallet and block explorer > has behaved in a way consistent with not running a full node - they have > shown invalid data that any full node would reject on multiple > occasions, most recently invalid confirmations during the BIP66 fork=2E