From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.osuosl.org (smtp1.osuosl.org [IPv6:2605:bc80:3010::138]) by lists.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92743C0012 for ; Sat, 18 Dec 2021 03:49:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp1.osuosl.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BB7084E11 for ; Sat, 18 Dec 2021 03:49:31 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at osuosl.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, FROM_LOCAL_NOVOWEL=0.5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: smtp1.osuosl.org (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=protonmail.com Received: from smtp1.osuosl.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp1.osuosl.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GQAGLiEbWg0m for ; Sat, 18 Dec 2021 03:49:30 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: domain auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.8.0 Received: from mail-40132.protonmail.ch (mail-40132.protonmail.ch [185.70.40.132]) by smtp1.osuosl.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4870684D74 for ; Sat, 18 Dec 2021 03:49:30 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2021 03:49:15 +0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=protonmail.com; s=protonmail2; t=1639799366; bh=WmiMj/zZ4mxnOp8ocgfNI0okgI640nYSkpz3zgxQ38Y=; h=Date:To:From:Cc:Reply-To:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:From:To:Cc; b=LCFiLpVOV4GIVYB2gPs5ILddNC5VByYcX/yWpyGBQOzW7W7wRP0RTRTzn8BCPxQai 7TQW3FNL7ClTi8xdA1COhXAgyWCn2HsRiXoDH8L/6AA/xfe7hpWx7RdOTc+BHUMs2s 9ETW0SZD9tXixNGUQ1l4FDWj2GSRUdQI55CyN4I5WJiGoENLm0Hs7epJUlWUglXdkP tgwpbEldlc6WqSGYyEbggEiIaPwYbA8bq31SJtUhfBHG2PylD0JkNnKf5yycgx9yxi IHkB3lD8x/SpwNSspomoHsqecKEgsNukoh1PYp9qBmiebnSlWZIZn29drYBJUK5Mxa a3VS+EqBrbDPg== To: Jeremy From: ZmnSCPxj Reply-To: ZmnSCPxj Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] [Bitcoin Advent Calendar] Oracles, Bonds, and Attestation Chains X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2021 03:49:31 -0000 Good morning Jeremy, > Another interesting point: if you use a musig key for your staking key th= at is musig(a,b,c) you can sign with a until you equivocate once, then swit= ch to b, then c. Three strikes and you're out! IDK what that could be used = for. You could say "oops, I made a mistake, can I correct it by equivocating jus= t this time?". Three strikes and you are out. > Lastly, while you can't punish lying, you could say "only the stakers who= sign with the majority get allocated reward tokens for that slot". So you = could equivocate to switch and get tokens, but you'd burn your collateral f= or them. But this does make an incentive for the stakers to try to sign the= "correct" statement in line with peers. Note the quote marks around "correct" --- the majority of peers could be co= nspiring to lie, too. Conspiracy theory time..... Regards, ZmnSCPxj