* [bitcoindev] What if we let Quantum Hunters get Bitcoin rewards ?
@ 2026-05-07 15:37 Amon BAZONGO
2026-05-07 16:07 ` Nikita Karetnikov
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From: Amon BAZONGO @ 2026-05-07 15:37 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Bitcoin Development Mailing List
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Hi all,
I'd like to share a draft Informational BIP as an alternative framework to
BIP-361's proposed coin freeze.
The core argument: rather than suspending Bitcoin's neutrality to prevent
quantum theft, we can structure the inevitable quantum capture of exposed
coins as a self-financing prize mechanism — the largest open technological
prize in history.
The proposal introduces three components:
- Genesis Quantum Transaction (GQT): recognition of a successful spend from
a quantum-exposed address
- Quantum Vault (QV): automatically receives 90% of captured funds,
distributes periodically to proven quantum actors synchronized with the
halving cycle
- Quantum Proof Address (QPA): the on-chain identity of any actor who
demonstrates quantum capture capability, forming a public, unfalsifiable
register of global quantum capabilities
The capturing actor receives 10% immediately as a First Reward, with
ongoing distributions from the Vault — creating long-term alignment with
ecosystem stability rather than incentivizing immediate liquidation.
Draft:
https://github.com/amonmoce/Hunting-The-Bitcoin-One-Piece/blob/master/bip-hunting-the-bitcoin-one-piece.md
Looking forward to technical and philosophical feedback.
Best,
Amon
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^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread* Re: [bitcoindev] What if we let Quantum Hunters get Bitcoin rewards ? 2026-05-07 15:37 [bitcoindev] What if we let Quantum Hunters get Bitcoin rewards ? Amon BAZONGO @ 2026-05-07 16:07 ` Nikita Karetnikov 2026-05-07 17:23 ` Amon BAZONGO 2026-05-07 20:32 ` RB GAMING 2026-05-21 19:46 ` Murch 2 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread From: Nikita Karetnikov @ 2026-05-07 16:07 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Amon BAZONGO; +Cc: bitcoindev Amon, Why would anyone participate in this instead of just stealing the funds? Also, this seems to be AI-written. Thanks, Nikita -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Bitcoin Development Mailing List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to bitcoindev+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/bitcoindev/98AC7FB3-8EE6-43AE-99C3-4661C7E50D4D%40karetnikov.org. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
* Re: [bitcoindev] What if we let Quantum Hunters get Bitcoin rewards ? 2026-05-07 16:07 ` Nikita Karetnikov @ 2026-05-07 17:23 ` Amon BAZONGO 0 siblings, 0 replies; 7+ messages in thread From: Amon BAZONGO @ 2026-05-07 17:23 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Nikita Karetnikov; +Cc: bitcoindev [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 973 bytes --] Nikita, Happy to read you. First, with what I propose you cannot "steal the funds". If you have quantum capture capability, you will receive 10% of the amount as a reward and the rest goes to a fund for a periodic distribution. And yes, I lay out my ideas with AI assistance. I hope it's not forbidden. Thanks, Amon On Thu, May 7, 2026 at 4:07 PM Nikita Karetnikov <nikita@karetnikov.org> wrote: > Amon, > > Why would anyone participate in this instead of just stealing the funds? > Also, this seems to be AI-written. > > Thanks, > Nikita > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Bitcoin Development Mailing List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to bitcoindev+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/bitcoindev/CAEsN3a50KedSLXdZF5Gs-eds1LBhujkMRHZ7-nXQhHmhgxCnKw%40mail.gmail.com. [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 1680 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
* Re: [bitcoindev] What if we let Quantum Hunters get Bitcoin rewards ? 2026-05-07 15:37 [bitcoindev] What if we let Quantum Hunters get Bitcoin rewards ? Amon BAZONGO 2026-05-07 16:07 ` Nikita Karetnikov @ 2026-05-07 20:32 ` RB GAMING 2026-05-07 23:08 ` Amon BAZONGO 2026-05-21 19:46 ` Murch 2 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread From: RB GAMING @ 2026-05-07 20:32 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Amon BAZONGO; +Cc: Bitcoin Development Mailing List [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 3567 bytes --] Hi Amon, I read your BIP draft, and personally I like the “One Piece” concept more than freezing Bitcoin because of quantum theft risks. The idea is creative, and theoretically it makes sense. However, from a practical perspective, I am still concerned about the ~6.7M BTC that could become quantum-exposed. The main issue is that we cannot accurately predict how fast quantum computing will evolve in the future. If quantum capabilities become much stronger than expected, the reward mechanism could create massive incentives for attackers and potentially harm Bitcoin’s long-term stability and value. I do not think the idea is bad at all in fact, it is one of the more interesting approaches to this problem. I just feel the risks may currently be higher than we expect, which is why freezing vulnerable coins seems like the safer option for now. Of course, this is only my personal point of view. I may be missing some cases or thinking differently from your perspective, so please do not take my comments the wrong way. I appreciate the effort and creativity behind the proposal, and maybe with further refinement the idea could become even stronger. Best regards, Ronak On Thu, 7 May, 2026, 9:19 pm Amon BAZONGO, <amonmoce@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi all, > > I'd like to share a draft Informational BIP as an alternative framework to > BIP-361's proposed coin freeze. > > The core argument: rather than suspending Bitcoin's neutrality to prevent > quantum theft, we can structure the inevitable quantum capture of exposed > coins as a self-financing prize mechanism — the largest open technological > prize in history. > > The proposal introduces three components: > > - Genesis Quantum Transaction (GQT): recognition of a successful spend > from a quantum-exposed address > - Quantum Vault (QV): automatically receives 90% of captured funds, > distributes periodically to proven quantum actors synchronized with the > halving cycle > - Quantum Proof Address (QPA): the on-chain identity of any actor who > demonstrates quantum capture capability, forming a public, unfalsifiable > register of global quantum capabilities > > The capturing actor receives 10% immediately as a First Reward, with > ongoing distributions from the Vault — creating long-term alignment with > ecosystem stability rather than incentivizing immediate liquidation. > > Draft: > https://github.com/amonmoce/Hunting-The-Bitcoin-One-Piece/blob/master/bip-hunting-the-bitcoin-one-piece.md > > Looking forward to technical and philosophical feedback. > > Best, > Amon > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Bitcoin Development Mailing List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to bitcoindev+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/bitcoindev/46a49975-dbaa-48d5-b50f-36c649041933n%40googlegroups.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/bitcoindev/46a49975-dbaa-48d5-b50f-36c649041933n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Bitcoin Development Mailing List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to bitcoindev+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/bitcoindev/CAJMs1u2RqBZj42%2BNTHwj3r3Lk1NS_CWtNrn9jUF5RWgPUpiOiA%40mail.gmail.com. [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 4415 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
* Re: [bitcoindev] What if we let Quantum Hunters get Bitcoin rewards ? 2026-05-07 20:32 ` RB GAMING @ 2026-05-07 23:08 ` Amon BAZONGO 0 siblings, 0 replies; 7+ messages in thread From: Amon BAZONGO @ 2026-05-07 23:08 UTC (permalink / raw) To: RB GAMING, Nikita Karetnikov; +Cc: Bitcoin Development Mailing List [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 4889 bytes --] Hello Ronak and all, Thanks for the feedback. You are right to be concerned. Let me add some more lights: 1. First, we suppose BIP-360 is a prerequisite to my proposal. Which means that all new addresses would be quantum-resistant. Each old-address holder is responsible to migrate to a new quantum-resistant address. 2. So when a hunter (I prefer this term instead of attacker), proves quantum capability from a monitored address, vulnerable because it didn't migrate to a new quantum-resistant address, the transaction can be redirected to mechanism that splits the transaction in two: 10% to the winning hunter and 90% to a fund that will distribute the rest following the bitcoin halving cycle. 3. So in practice, each vulnerable UTXO is a "bitcoin one piece" opportunity. So we might not even have the same hunter for all the ~6.7M BTC. So it diffuses the risks, so we do not break bitcoin's core principles, and we still allow hunters to deserve their reward the same way miners deserve their reward. I don't know if it adds some elements that can help clarify the idea. Thanks for reading, Amon On Thu, May 7, 2026 at 8:32 PM RB GAMING <ronakbharadiya180@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Amon, > > I read your BIP draft, and personally I like the “One Piece” concept more > than freezing Bitcoin because of quantum theft risks. The idea is creative, > and theoretically it makes sense. > > However, from a practical perspective, I am still concerned about the > ~6.7M BTC that could become quantum-exposed. The main issue is that we > cannot accurately predict how fast quantum computing will evolve in the > future. If quantum capabilities become much stronger than expected, the > reward mechanism could create massive incentives for attackers and > potentially harm Bitcoin’s long-term stability and value. > > I do not think the idea is bad at all in fact, it is one of the more > interesting approaches to this problem. I just feel the risks may currently > be higher than we expect, which is why freezing vulnerable coins seems like > the safer option for now. > > Of course, this is only my personal point of view. I may be missing some > cases or thinking differently from your perspective, so please do not take > my comments the wrong way. I appreciate the effort and creativity behind > the proposal, and maybe with further refinement the idea could become even > stronger. > > Best regards, > Ronak > > On Thu, 7 May, 2026, 9:19 pm Amon BAZONGO, <amonmoce@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> I'd like to share a draft Informational BIP as an alternative framework >> to BIP-361's proposed coin freeze. >> >> The core argument: rather than suspending Bitcoin's neutrality to prevent >> quantum theft, we can structure the inevitable quantum capture of exposed >> coins as a self-financing prize mechanism — the largest open technological >> prize in history. >> >> The proposal introduces three components: >> >> - Genesis Quantum Transaction (GQT): recognition of a successful spend >> from a quantum-exposed address >> - Quantum Vault (QV): automatically receives 90% of captured funds, >> distributes periodically to proven quantum actors synchronized with the >> halving cycle >> - Quantum Proof Address (QPA): the on-chain identity of any actor who >> demonstrates quantum capture capability, forming a public, unfalsifiable >> register of global quantum capabilities >> >> The capturing actor receives 10% immediately as a First Reward, with >> ongoing distributions from the Vault — creating long-term alignment with >> ecosystem stability rather than incentivizing immediate liquidation. >> >> Draft: >> https://github.com/amonmoce/Hunting-The-Bitcoin-One-Piece/blob/master/bip-hunting-the-bitcoin-one-piece.md >> >> Looking forward to technical and philosophical feedback. >> >> Best, >> Amon >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Bitcoin Development Mailing List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to bitcoindev+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/bitcoindev/46a49975-dbaa-48d5-b50f-36c649041933n%40googlegroups.com >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/bitcoindev/46a49975-dbaa-48d5-b50f-36c649041933n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Bitcoin Development Mailing List" group. 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* Re: [bitcoindev] What if we let Quantum Hunters get Bitcoin rewards ? 2026-05-07 15:37 [bitcoindev] What if we let Quantum Hunters get Bitcoin rewards ? Amon BAZONGO 2026-05-07 16:07 ` Nikita Karetnikov 2026-05-07 20:32 ` RB GAMING @ 2026-05-21 19:46 ` Murch 2026-05-22 17:41 ` Amon BAZONGO 2 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread From: Murch @ 2026-05-21 19:46 UTC (permalink / raw) To: bitcoindev [-- Attachment #1.1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 2743 bytes --] Hello Amon, Your document’s formatting is broken, because you use MediaWiki syntax in a Markdown file. IMHO, any proposal that calls for Bitcoin to issue a substantial quantum bounty should make the case why this would be in the interest of the Bitcoin ecosystem. Your proposal treats this as obvious, but it’s not clear to me why the Bitcoin ecosystem should involve itself in this manner in Quantum research. -Murch On 2026-05-07 08:37, Amon BAZONGO wrote: > Hi all, > > I'd like to share a draft Informational BIP as an alternative > framework to BIP-361's proposed coin freeze. > > The core argument: rather than suspending Bitcoin's neutrality to > prevent quantum theft, we can structure the inevitable quantum capture > of exposed coins as a self-financing prize mechanism — the largest > open technological prize in history. > > The proposal introduces three components: > > - Genesis Quantum Transaction (GQT): recognition of a successful spend > from a quantum-exposed address > - Quantum Vault (QV): automatically receives 90% of captured funds, > distributes periodically to proven quantum actors synchronized with > the halving cycle > - Quantum Proof Address (QPA): the on-chain identity of any actor who > demonstrates quantum capture capability, forming a public, > unfalsifiable register of global quantum capabilities > > The capturing actor receives 10% immediately as a First Reward, with > ongoing distributions from the Vault — creating long-term alignment > with ecosystem stability rather than incentivizing immediate liquidation. > > Draft: > https://github.com/amonmoce/Hunting-The-Bitcoin-One-Piece/blob/master/bip-hunting-the-bitcoin-one-piece.md > > Looking forward to technical and philosophical feedback. > > Best, > Amon -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Bitcoin Development Mailing List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an email to bitcoindev+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/bitcoindev/46a49975-dbaa-48d5-b50f-36c649041933n%40googlegroups.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/bitcoindev/46a49975-dbaa-48d5-b50f-36c649041933n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Bitcoin Development Mailing List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to bitcoindev+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/bitcoindev/6469ae87-7225-41a2-bc67-3f3e46e6a279%40murch.one. [-- Attachment #1.1.2: OpenPGP public key --] [-- Type: application/pgp-keys, Size: 56263 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: OpenPGP digital signature --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 833 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
* Re: [bitcoindev] What if we let Quantum Hunters get Bitcoin rewards ? 2026-05-21 19:46 ` Murch @ 2026-05-22 17:41 ` Amon BAZONGO 0 siblings, 0 replies; 7+ messages in thread From: Amon BAZONGO @ 2026-05-22 17:41 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Murch; +Cc: bitcoindev [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 4737 bytes --] Hello Murch, Thanks for the feedback. I will remove the mediawiki syntax and keep it simple ... thanks for pointing that out. You are right that it must be clearer, but let me add more clarity here: 1. The Bitcoin ecosystem is already pretty much concerned about Quantum. That is a fact regarding the number of quantum-related BIP 2. Now, the ecosystem has no incentive to actively participate in Quantum research. But the obvious part is no matter what the ecosystem does, some entity will be able to put in place a quantum computer somewhere in the world. And when that happens, millions of BTC might be accessible by this or those entities. That's why BIP-361 has been issued to address this issue. So the Quantum research advancement will (is already) clearly impact the Bitcoin ecosystem 3. BIP-361 proposes to freeze all unsafe Bitcoin, which means that those will be lost for real this time. What I propose is to find a way to recover those Bitcoin, to keep the 21 millions BTC intact and keep Bitcoin free of freeze. I am against freezing because if we freeze once, we might freeze a second time for some other reason we don't know yet. 4. That's why I propose to offer the unsafe Bitcoin as a bounty, in this way, the ecosystem will proove its utility in another way which is funding technological progress. I hope that adds clarity to the idea. Best, Amon On Fri, May 22, 2026 at 12:40 PM Murch <murch@murch.one> wrote: > Hello Amon, > > Your document’s formatting is broken, because you use MediaWiki syntax > in a Markdown file. > > IMHO, any proposal that calls for Bitcoin to issue a substantial quantum > bounty should make the case why this would be in the interest of the > Bitcoin ecosystem. Your proposal treats this as obvious, but it’s not > clear to me why the Bitcoin ecosystem should involve itself in this > manner in Quantum research. > > -Murch > > On 2026-05-07 08:37, Amon BAZONGO wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > I'd like to share a draft Informational BIP as an alternative > > framework to BIP-361's proposed coin freeze. > > > > The core argument: rather than suspending Bitcoin's neutrality to > > prevent quantum theft, we can structure the inevitable quantum capture > > of exposed coins as a self-financing prize mechanism — the largest > > open technological prize in history. > > > > The proposal introduces three components: > > > > - Genesis Quantum Transaction (GQT): recognition of a successful spend > > from a quantum-exposed address > > - Quantum Vault (QV): automatically receives 90% of captured funds, > > distributes periodically to proven quantum actors synchronized with > > the halving cycle > > - Quantum Proof Address (QPA): the on-chain identity of any actor who > > demonstrates quantum capture capability, forming a public, > > unfalsifiable register of global quantum capabilities > > > > The capturing actor receives 10% immediately as a First Reward, with > > ongoing distributions from the Vault — creating long-term alignment > > with ecosystem stability rather than incentivizing immediate liquidation. > > > > Draft: > > > https://github.com/amonmoce/Hunting-The-Bitcoin-One-Piece/blob/master/bip-hunting-the-bitcoin-one-piece.md > > > > Looking forward to technical and philosophical feedback. > > > > Best, > > Amon -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > Groups "Bitcoin Development Mailing List" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > > an email to bitcoindev+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > > To view this discussion visit > > > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/bitcoindev/46a49975-dbaa-48d5-b50f-36c649041933n%40googlegroups.com > > < > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/bitcoindev/46a49975-dbaa-48d5-b50f-36c649041933n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer > >. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Bitcoin Development Mailing List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to bitcoindev+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/bitcoindev/6469ae87-7225-41a2-bc67-3f3e46e6a279%40murch.one > . > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Bitcoin Development Mailing List" group. 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